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>> prefer cnn newsroom, we're here live in tel aviv. until then. thanks very much for watching erin burnett outfront starts, right now outfront next, trump's struggling to define kamala harris today announcing his biggest ad buy yet, we've got new reporting this hour on a bold move by harris. will president biden is saying about this, wasn't their first joint us interview. >> vladimir kara murza, putin critic just freed from a brutal russian prison in solitary confinement, joins me here, live with his wife. what's it like to be together? >> we. the fears that putin could come after him again and james carville and paul begala together again, their prediction about j.d. >> vance tonight and why harris walz reminds them of another winning ticket that they both know very well it's about friend. and good evening. i'm erin burnett outfront tonight. trump spending bill good after new polls show vice president harris ahead in key battleground states trump and

his allies announcing major new ad buys tonight. so right now, we can tell you trump is making his largest ad buy of his entire campaign 37 million. and it's illuminating on your screen all in major swing states and a trump super pac also just announcing moments ago that it is going to spend $100 million in ads just over the next three weeks just now, between now and labor day trump is acting in some senses like he's about to lose throwing everything at harris and what seems to be a fairly random effort to see if anything sticks. the spaghetti at the wall strategy evident today when trump tried branding harris a flip-flopper, which of course is a rather tough argument to make coming from trump i'm very pro-choice. i'm also proud to be the most pro-life president in american history. mail-in voting is totally corrupt and make a plan to vote either by mail, early in person or to vote on election day. you know, i'm a poll maven it became like the

all-time expert on paul's. could we do very little polling because i'm not a huge believer in polling so there's that right now. >> there's this, which is the effort to nickname kamala harris, the trump campaign today put out a statement today saying, quote, camila has proven to be a chameleon in order to gaslight voters chameleon with a k, right? you got it. now, it is worth noting though, that these attacks trying to brand harris a chameleon did start soon after we were told this by a former longtime close friend of j.d. vance what i've seen is a chameleon, someone who is able to change their positions and their values depending on what will amass them. >> political power and wealth but chameleon flip-flopper in this spaghetti against the wall strategy that seems to be at play right now, join other attacks against harris. that's so far have not gained any traction. in fact, trump, who made his entire fortune and branding and who has again and again nicknamed his political

rivals, rivals with both a juvenile and yet incredibly powerfully cutting talent with names that stick and define them to their detriment has for the first time, failed repeatedly to nickname kamala harris now we have a new victim to defeat lyon kamala harris lyon, ly in i call a laughin' kamala you ever watch a laugh? she's crazy. you know, you can tell a lot by a laugh. know she's crazy, she's not a line radical left liberal san francisco extremists who are going to defeat crazy kamala none of these have stuck at, neither has purposely mispronouncing the vice president's name as you heard him do there several times. but the real irony on this actually comes from trump's own running mate. this weekend, j.d. >> vance i think that what it is is two people, kamala harris and tim walz who aren't comfortable in their own skin because they're uncomfortable

with their policy positions for the american people. >> and so they're name-calling instead of actually telling the american people how they're going to make their lives better name-calling. >> instead of trying to tell people how you can make their lives better, will trump's latest name calling and personal attacks are being criticized even more directly than that by his close allies you've got to make this race not on personalities stop questioning the size of her crowds and start questioning her position and mccarthy is correct. >> trump is questioning the size of harris, his crowds over the weekend spreading false conspiracy theory that harris quote, cheated and quote ai, the crowd that our recent michigan event. the reason this was so bizarre is of course, there were a lot of people there to witness the event, including our cameras, our own video from the event, which shows you what our cameras filmed. thousands of people were in fact, there mj lee is outfront at the white house tonight to begin our coverage and mda trump is accusing harris now a steal killing one

of his policy proposals on taxing tips for service workers, which is obviously a crucial issue in swing states, including nevada this is something that it's actually interesting because i know that biden actually has even weighed in on this yet yeah, you're absolutely right. >> and establishing her own policy platform is one of the many things that come. >> kamala harris has had to do with unusual speed and it was really noteworthy over the weekend that we saw her come out in support of eliminating taxes on tips that are earned by hospitality and service workers and no coincidence that she did it when she was in las vegas. this is a course, a huge part of the economy there but what was really notable, as you said, is the fact that the vice president actually came out in support of this policy before president biden did vice presidents do not typically do that? they are there to support and back the policy positions taken by the president and their role is really to play sort of the supporting role. but the difference now of course, is that in different

from three weeks ago, she is now suddenly a presidential candidate. and the white house press secretary actually, earlier today asked about this policy positions. she said that the president does support this policy standard and confirm that for the first time again. and unusual order of events. we don't typically see this she was adamant that there is no daylight between the vice president and the president on this issue. and the other thing that made this really interesting politically, is exactly what you said that donald trump has taken this policy position before that, of course, has prompted the trump campaign to call her a basically a copycat. the rnc used the nickname copycat camila. later this week, we are going to see the vice president laying out additional economic policy positions. so that is going to be an interesting space to watch. are there new policy stances that she takes, that our different from what the policy stances are. the biden administration so far, right. mj thank you very much. at the white house. alright, so here to discuss it at our

dining room table, lulu garcia-navarro. so i mean, lying camila crazy comma he's trying his nicknames right. even going so far as to spell out line with the apostrophe. yet none of this has worked so far. it does feel spaghetti against if you have to spell it then probably isn't going to stick. i just want to start by saying that that isn't going to be a very effective strategy donald trump here is really struggling. i've spoken to democrats who are sort of marveling at this moment to see how much he feels like he is not not able to. wield this magical power that they used to feel that he could wield, which was naming someone and having that person be completely destroyed. if you think about how he used that during the republican primaries, all the nicknames that he used for marco rubio, all these things hillary right? and it sticks and everyone, and it became the lens through which people viewed them. whereas camilla

has been used to call donald trump teflon don. but camila is the person at this point who is really been able to not be defined by him. and the more that he tries it, i think less effective that it is. >> i mean, shermichael, it's like when we talked about the polls, he cares so deeply about that. he cares about when i was on this show, it was the highest rated show or the polls he cares about those things so this the swing polling coming out and i've seen some polls so closer than others. but nonetheless, over the weekend, even in the new york post, which he reads, the headline was not good for him. michigan, pennsylvania, wisconsin he's trailing these margins in american electoral politics or seismically, laura, i mean, this is big chasm now we'll see who knows judge poll shows early. so i'm not, i'm not saying that, but i'm saying that psychologically for him, this is a lot. i mean, just listened to him himself talking about polls it's a lot for us too, right? because we look at the numbers, it's bad. i just saw i say it's fake it's

good. i say that's the most accurate poll, perhaps. >> i love polls only when they're, when they're not good. i don't talk about it when i was campaigning, i only mentioned that when we're doing well in the polls we're not doing well. i don't talk about it a lot of this is psychology. i mean, clearly i was ready to jump in and start talking about the polls clearly. i mean, look lulu, this or erin rather, this is why i think the former president's team is trying to adjust itself to lulu's point about the former president been sort of painted as this teflon don type character that is true. and i think in politics you have to sort of readjust your strategy for him. he looks at the poll numbers, he looks at the people who turned out and say, this is how i know if i'm doing well, this is all know if i'm not doing so well for him, not seen the numbers showcase his strength that we saw several weeks ago against biden is an indicator that the numbers are changing against him. i think we all recognize that to be true, it's why he's spending 73 million

bucks. and then the super pac another hundred million dollars over the next three weeks to try to define the vice president on some crucial issues. now when you look at that time, sienna poll, there are two areas where i think there is an opportunity for the trump campaign is still on the economic front is still an immigration. can they move the needle on those two issues to close that polling gap? >> but you know what's so interesting in that same poll. when you look at the issue of who is more trustworthy, when you look on the issue is who has better leadership qualities? kamala harris takes it in a massive fashion and that is about the person and not the policies. it's very hard to shift those viewpoints and he's not helping with the way that he's behave. and so far this campaign, at this very nascent campaign that we are in here has not really been about policy, right? it has been about memes and images and emotion of what people i feel. sure. >> of course, if kevin mccarthy has publicly criticizing year, i mean, he's the greatest sycophant in modern politics. you know that you're really veering off course. >> but you put an interesting

image up on screen, which is all of this republican messaging that's going to be coming out well-funded but if they're an unfortunate situation right now because they're going to positioning so much of that funding towards this spaghetti approach that you mentioned trying to caricature the vice president as something. >> of course, that she is not. what will they not be talking about as a result, they will not be talking about the economy and they won't be talking about the thing that they need to talk about, which is trying to lie to the american public and position donald trump as a sane alternative because of course he is not. they won't message about at it and that's why they're going okay. >> go ahead. >> but but i've looked at some of the ads that have not come out yet, and they are going to focus on the economy they are going to focus on immigration. they're being specific. you'll see immigration ads run in places like arizona, nevada, economic issues and places like pennsylvania, michigan, wisconsin, they are being smart about the target. >> so when you're targeting

independence, i mean, still write your base. you bases are solidified, right? you're targeting whatever, whatever center is defined as this point. i'm curious blue as to whether people care about this issue of issue of purposeful mispronunciation of her name, which trump does repeatedly, and i'll play that because it is, it is constant and it's different ways serious kamala camila kamala, they were explaining to me, you can say camila. you can say kamala. i said, don't worry about it, doesn't matter what i say. i couldn't care less if i mispronounced it or not, i couldn't care less. kamala sometimes referred to as commonly, she's got about nine different ways of pronouncing the name does that matter? it matters. it matters because what he's doing there is trying to other her and say this is a woman with a strange sounding name that i can't even be bothered to pronounce. you don't have to know who she is you know, she comes from a body, our the of not even worthy of an him. she comes from this. >> listen, we know that the voters that really, really come

to the polls are women and beyond women are black women. and so you pipe mispronouncing her name, you are offending a very large group of people well, here who again with the cat ladies and j.d. vance, i mean, where the gop generally trump and vance in particular are very weak or with the demographic that they actually need suburban women. and this kind of stuff just isn't helpful what do you think about the names? >> i mean, issue. >> i don't think it's helpful, but i'm also not convinced based on 2016 and 2020, trump's performance that he necessarily needs a large number of women to do well, i think they're looking at low propensity voters, specifically, younger men and hear me out here, lulu, i think they're looking at other groups to make up for the losses of women that republicans haven't had an eight years. now, that's my point. >> 50% of the population and think that you'll have a sound electoral strategy. but the deeper problem for the entire

republican party is the leader of their party right now, is absolutely insane and unhinged. that's the way he led as president united states and its the way is operating now as their candidate. and that's what but it's a losing ticket. >> alright, i will hit pause. i know that there's a lot more to talk about this, but luckily, we will have you all back many times. >> number one, knew where aaron next 30 days when they spend what did i just say? >> $100 million hundred $7,000. alright. thanks to all next vladimir kara kara-murza and his wife, of janja, just days ago, he was in one of putin's prisons and solitary confinement. now, we're reunited with his family after that dramatic prisoner swap. how did he survive years in that prison? and what is he going to do now because what paul begala on these two running he made that he now sees he says and kamala harris and tim walz and james carville are are united here on outfront tonight. and a new and critical ruling tonight on whether jordan chiles can keep for bronze medal the democratic national convention next monday at seven on cnn and streaming

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many of you may remember from this program, she tirelessly appeared to fight for her husband and outfront. now, the former russian political prisoner, vladimir kara murza. and you yevgenia kara-murza. and thanks to both of you, as i said, it's like an apparition to even see you vladimir, you thought you were going to die well, thank you. >> so much for inviting me. it's really good to be on your show and i really mean this yes. >> but you talked about that that you thought that you were never going to see them again, you thought you were going to die in prison. and yet here you are together. >> have have you even been able to process that that you are here with her and your children? no frankly, i think it's a little bit too much and too quick for human mind to process and just a little over two weeks ago, i was still sitting in my solitary confinement cell in harsh regime prison colony in siberia. and i was certain that i was going to end my life including the prison. and here i am now sitting with you in a studio in new york next to my

wife and i vladimir, because ski, who is very prominent prisoner of conscience in the soviet union, who was himself exchanged famously in 1976. that exchange was also mediated by the u.s. administration. he compared the experience of a political prisoner being so suddenly and unexpectedly release to what to deep seated the island must feel when he suddenly taken from the depth to the surface, you just completely lose orientation in space in time for these past few weeks. frankly, it felt as if i'm watching some sort of film and it's a really good film, but it's still feels completely surreal. >> you know it's, it's things that it's hard for any of us to even kind of understand or to process about you for example, you weren't talking you're in solitary confinement. and now you're sitting here having conversations. you're actually hearing your own voice, things like that are things that you had forgotten so i i'm curious

if guinea in these, in these two years that you and i have spoken, you always had this calm presence, this fortitude and the strength than it was hard to understand and to imagine how you were able to do that again and again, knowing and thinking as you did at times, you weren't sure if you would see your husband again? what was it like when you actually were reunited with him well, first of all, i want to thank you. >> for all the support and all your help. that if offered me over these past 2.5 years and offering me this platform to be able to talk to millions of people around the world to talk to them about the nature of vladimir putin's regime and what it does to people including russian citizens who stand up to him and fight against him and so deeply grateful for that as for our experience, i i don't think that i've been able to process it either i know that it's it's very welcome change that i don't have this nagging fear in the back of my mind at all

times of the day that watermark can be killed at any moment of any day that is a welcome change, but i don't think that i've been able to process that and i look at latimer without kids and i think about maria ponomarenko a russian journalist sentenced to years in prison for speaking out against the war her daughters are growing up without her. i'm thinking about, you've ghanian better berkovich. same thing, same story. i'm thinking about the lawyers lexi navalny, whose children are deprived of their fathers i'm thinking about thousands of people who have been affected in the same way, our family has been affected. and i i see this this is a victory, this this the saving of 16 people from the grip of vladimir putin's regime this is a victory, but this is only the beginning. we understand that there are over

1,000 prisoners in russia that there are thousands of ukrainian civilian hostages and walk prisoners, not to mention kidnapped ukrainian kids and we understand that there are over 1,000 political prisoners in neighboring belarus so the fight will have to continue. >> and i know volodymyr that you will be a part of that and i want to ask you about the future such that you even think about that now but first that moment when this prisoner exchange starts, you are 35 hours away from moscow. you say siberia in omsk you're in solitary confinement guards burst into your cell. then what happens to the best ones who myself at 3:00 a.m. and omsk is the harshest prison regime anywhere in russia. >> this is western siberia was so that was unthinkable. you have time for sleep. nothing ever happens at night and sunday at 3:00 a.m. the two doors of my prison cell burst open there were a uniform

officers. there was a prison director and this was a night from saturday to sunday when no officials there ever in normal situations. and also plain clothes, conway which i'd never seen before and they said that i had ten minutes to get up, get dressed listen to get ready and i was absolutely certain that moment that i was going to be let out and get executed i say get ready for what it's, just get ready, just get ready ten minutes. and a few days before that, there was a really weird sort of situation where i was taken from myself into prison office and they he gave me a piece of paper and a pen and a template and request that and i right a petition for a pardon addressed to vladimir putin, in which i would admit my guilt, express remorse, what i've done and so on and so forth first, i thought it was just a joke because, you know, when i look but the texts i just loved my faces, but they didn't seem to have a good sense of humor. they just sat stone-faced and said, please write this is not i'm not going

to i'm never going to write this. they said why not? i said, well, first of all, because i do not consider vladimir putin to be a legitimate president. i consider him to be a dictator. are user in a murderer, who is personally responsible for the deaths this political opponents, boris nemtsov like alexei navalny, who is personally responsible for the deaths of thousands of civilians, including children in ukraine. and i've never going to write anything to him in the first place. and obviously i'm not going to get any guilt because i'm not guilty of anything. the criminals are those who are waging this war and those of us who are speaking out against it. and so i'd no idea what was happening you didn't sign that no, i refuse to sign more than that. >> they then requested that i write my opinion of mr. wooten on paper, which i didn't sign that and gave us they have that they have that they have that official document so two days later this night seen happen, so i thought okay, maybe i guess i didn't like what i think of mr. putin, so i thought it was happening, but instead of the nearby woods where i thought i was going to be taken, i was suddenly taken to civilian airport. just a

normal passenger airport. and on scotus is a large city, 1 million plus people. and i have to tell you, i mean, actually i don't have any words to express how it feels when you spent nearly a year and solitary confinement, just sitting in a tiny cell on your own day after day, not being able to speak to anyone, not being able to go anywhere, not being able to do anything. and suddenly you find yourself in the middle of a busy passenger airport with normal people, families, kids, walking around. i was handcuffed, was under a convoy, but i was still in the middle of a normal airport so it's put me on a plane they flew me to moscow its three-hour flight took me three weeks to get from moscow to siberia last year because there wasn't a prison train. the still even flowers. yes. this was three hours much quicker from the airport to the infamous lefortovo prison, which is the old kgb. now the fsb prison that you write about in sochi nation's books and sharansky is books and others. they were all there. so i've now had the experience in the two-and-a-half years i've been to prison. i've been to 13

different penitentiary institutions and before was number 13 quite an appropriate number as well? by then? i thought this was going to be some sort of a new criminal case because that's what they usually take her until forever for i mean, there wasn't frankly too much practical meaning to giving an extra sentence to someone who already had 25 years, but what this regime that there's never any limit, so this is what i thought was happening help completely incommunicado. nobody knew my family and my lawyers were being lied to that. i was still omsk. i was in moscow, sort of clandestinely then still not understanding what was going on on the morning of 1 august i was told to give up on my person close and to dress. he nearly civilian clothing i had which was just my night t-shirt, my black underpants, because in omsk in siberia, it's -14 know when to say after a black t-shirt and underwear, luck, a bluff, basically, yes. basically a blackened feinstein also had my rubber flip-flops. so the

prison shower that was my that was what i had on my feet when i was taken to germany. and then there was a bus waiting in a prison courtyard and it was a really a picture out of some hollywood movie. there was a row of men in black balaclavas covering their faces. i was told to get on the bus and it was only then at the very last moment when i saw my friends and colleagues on that bus like a yashin russian opposition politician. all the gala for memorial that was only minute, minute. i know what so then when you when you leave shortly after we were released, you get you get a phone call and there's only been a few phone calls that you've had with your family over the past two plus years? >> on the other end of this call though, is your daughter? and i just want to play that moment for both of you. >> i'm going to cry a lot but he didn't mining and we wga

were in the oval office no no word is strong enough for this. i was sure. i'm going to die in prison. i don't believe what's happening. i still think it's i still think i'm sleeping in my prison shall enormous instead of hearing your voice you know, as i said, everything is still feels surreal. >> but i have to tell you that one we were taken off that plane in ankara in turkey and we will add into some government building there lady walks up to me and as you rightly said, i was i was forbidden phone calls. i only spoke to zhenya once in the two-and-a-half years into my kids, twice and so hadn't used the phone on a while and suddenly we're in turkey having no idea what's, what's still, what's happening, feeling totally surreal lady walks up to me with a mobile phone hands it to me and says, hello, mr. kara-murza. and from the american embassy in ankara, the president of the united states is willing to speak to you, okay. but this time i'm

giving up on trying to understand what what's happening and this was that phone call that you just you just once in two plus years and here you are. >> last summer was the last time how do you do this together now, baby steps baby steps just a lot of hugging, a lot of smiling and laughing and we we decided that would stay put until the end of august because latam is already eat chain to get back to work and i have a ton of work to do. because as i said, the fight the fight continues. we were going to have to do everything we can to bring down this regime and this evil. but yes, we decided that we're going to take it sort of easy until at least the end of august to spend time with the kids and to just look at each other. just look at each other and remember every little thing that is so

dear to vladimir and i. we've been married for over 20 years, and we've always had this great connection when i saw him when he got out of that car in frankfurt and the kids now i flew to frankfurt to meet him there and he got out of the car and i saw him and it was like the conversation like liquid is seen each other the day before so we could pick up and go on so that's i think that's how it feels but i think that is going to be a lot of trauma that will need to process. i just i'm very lucky. i have a delayed reaction to any crisis that helps well you're obviously going to stay with us. we're going to take a very brief break and then we're going to come back and continue our conversation vladimir kara murza spent as we said, years in one of russia's most brutal and notorious penal colonies when he talks about arms so what was it like there? what actually did he indoor and just

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house for $19 i'm elizabeth wagmeister in los angeles in this is cnn tonight speaking out for the first time in the u.s. >> since he was released, kremlin critic and former russian political prisoner of vladimir kara murza here with his wife. you have getting a karamurza in their first us interview, joint interview since his release? as part of the largest prisoner swap since the cold war, summer, karamurza. and you have guinea are still here with me. and vitamin i just when you talk about omsk at this penal colony that you're and you saw the harshest in the russian system. you were in 13 different facilities. you said in the more than two years that you were held by putin? what was life like, what your everyday life like every day is like groundhog day and it's meaningless. >> it's endless and it's exactly the same you wake up at 5:00 in the morning without one of official wake-up call you're bunk gets attached to the wall.

so there's no way you can lie within. probably set down during the day. all you can do is just walk around the cell as like a small stool, very uncomfortable. there's a small desk and what you can't do anything because you're only given a pen and paper for one-and-a-half hours a day, in which you have to crump everything you need to do, for example, prepare for quote sessions. are we let us from your many write them back right? anything you want to write in terms of our articles, take notes, responses to questions from journalists. all of this, you have to crump it on a half hours a day. the rest of the day, essentially, you just sit in your cell and stare at the wall it's a small cell to buy three meters. actually about three yards but the only time he got taken out of the cell is to go out for a so-called woke, which is basically just walking around in a circle, in a small covered internal prison courtyard, not much bigger than herself. but the differences that you can see you can see the sky through metal bars in the top. and sometimes in one other prisons that i was and this was the prison colony number seven in omsk, a special regime prison, really harsh prison in terms of

the sort of the conditions there. but there was a big plus side. there were a lot of cats in that prison and sometimes when i was walking around in the courtyard the cats would come in, said next the metal bars and we're going to have a conversation with them. these were my only interlocutors because otherwise you always alone, only living creature that you saw solemnly because there's nobody to talk to, there's nothing to do. there's nowhere to go. and, you know, when people talk about torture in prisons, usually, what most people have in mind is the cycle, the physical, the physical torture, the physical pain inflicted and there's a lot of that in a russian prison system under putin has a lot of that russian prison system is notorious for that but for those political prisoners who is better known on home, there is more attention being paid the torturers over a different kind of psychological. and i can tell you that mental and psychological torture can be no better than physical one and

so, so primarily, it's this enforced solitude where you just have no way to speak to. i don't think it was aristotle who said that human beings are social creatures. we need communications just as much as we need oxygen of food or water. and when you have absolutely nobody to like exchange a single word with, i have to say, i mean, it really starts to get on your mind. there's a reason why, according to international law, more specifically, the united nations minimal standard rules and prisoners solitary confinement for more than 15 days he's considered a form of torture, degrading, or inhumane treatment here an entire year or 11 month? exactly but that's not all i was forbidden from making phone calls to my family, not just regular phone calls, but also for special occasions. for example, they banned me from calling jenny on our 20th wedding anniversary. that banned me from calling my oldest daughter on her 18th birthday. and they did this some typos. this is an old soviet tradition. when the regime punishes not only the

political opponent, him, him or herself, but also the family members. and this is what the current regime they ever genius ever reach a point where i know that you were talking about that you thought you might not get out alive, but that you ever would have considered if you had the opportunity of taking your own life for you ever at a point where that it just didn't seem that there was anything to live for i had a feeling that there was nothing to live for on most of the days. i never consider taking my own life because i'm a christian and this goes against my faith. this is not something i ever even thought about and by the way, on this point to one other from condition that i was exposed to, i was not allowed to go to church even wants that there were charges at all the prison in omsk that wasn't. but because i was considered a particularly dangerous criminal, being confined all the time in solitary cells. that was something that was prohibited to and by the way, in other, there are a lot of people including a lot of people in the west, which still surprises me who sort of talk

of vladimir putin as a defender of family values or traditional values. well, i hope that when these people continue to parrot this kremlin propaganda, that they think about those hundreds and thousands of political prisoners in russia, who are not allowed toalk to their families and are allowed to even fill nick kids are not allowed to go to church what about traditional family values there? >> and you have this still over your life. i understand now, you're here as part of the swap but as you sit here, you're getting his life. is still in danger as long as he still speaks out against putin, which he's doing. and he said he will do. and as you've said, you will the fight for the release of others who are still suffering and still in prison your family, you are both under threat. how are you going to still deal with that? >> you cannot allow yourself to become paranoid in front of something. so atrocious as the regime of vladimir putin the only way the only way to go is to continue on our vladimir

putin is a bully and he tries to threaten. he tries to intimidate, he tries to these are his methods. >> so if you give into that you lose you cannot allow yourself to be paranoid and we know we all these russian activists, journalists, politicians who work nowadays, who continue the fight. they know that their lives are in danger they still go on do you think that there will ever be a time when you can or would return to russia oh, absolutely not out. you know, when our plane was taking off from no cover, the government airport in moscow the fsb convoy, the man who was sitting next to me, we all had personal fsb guard, invalid clubs, legal, the bella clobbers on the planet got a little more relaxed and as our plane was taken off, he turned to me and said, look out the window, this is last time you seeing a motherland. and i just

loved in his guys face and i said, look, my alma historian vacation. i don't only think i don't only believe i know that russia will change it. i will be back in my homeland. and as i told him, it's going to be much quicker than you ever think about. >> thank you both so very much. >> thank you. coming on and sharing. i said beginning of very, very beginning of a long journey. thank you. >> thank you so much. >> next j.d vance, is he still reeling from the bill clinton playbook the two men who wrote that playbook james carville and paul begala respond plus american gymnast jordan chiles just suffering a setback in the attempt to hold on to her bronze medal. >> the usa gymnastics team responding tonight five good things. listen wherever you get your podcasts not every

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version of hillbilly elegy, and she posted this photo with her own cat writing quote, eve would have been have to bleeding mouse said, and the bad of anyone who criticize any kind of lady with a cat this is our own harry enten has shown that vance's become the most unpopular vp picks since 1980 outfront. now, james carville and paul begala together again, two men no more than anyone about winning a presidential campaign. both men, of course, the brains behind the winning clinton clinton-gore campaign in 1992. and so much more since then. but that very applicable to this moment. so james yoo earlier today told us that you would not be surprised if trump dumped vance as his running mate. do you really think that's possible? >> well first of all, this is not james is ai generated version of me, but possible may take sitting there getting clobbered in vance's going nowhere. but you know, i guess you've got ballot right ear but printing problems and a lot of the complicated things, but he's inching his kind of

attacking vance. i think he's going to go out and attack him full full throated. that's my gig. >> paula, what do you think that really happen i do think that when i thought for a while, that donald trump is not very good at long relationships ferran, three political party for white house chiefs of staff, three or four attorneys general. >> this is his second vice president, a second running mate. so i wouldn't count on sticking around if i was j.d. vance. i don't think he's he certainly is underwater and harry enten's polling is right, that he's the most unpopular vice president. the problem with this act though, is it's the organ grinder, not the monkey. people just don't want donald trump and they really want kamala harris and tim walz so james to this point, there was a song we heard a lot of during the 1992 campaign that you all worked on together to remind those who do not remember that live way it and

the whole point there was to focus that this ticket was about the future and what's coming ahead and that it's bright and it's not about the past 32 years later we hear the same song used for a candidate in this race. >> that candidate is j.d. vance here it is so what do you think james instrumental version clear what they were doing was that a purposeful recollection of take 1992 and spin it forward or just a random circ*mstance? >> well i'm godfather, that's all i'll play it a lot right before i go to bed and of course, they play out song and, and see bound and called his

podcast a war room. can these people think or anything new? i mean, my garden. clinton, 92 campaign was you know, i don't know, 30 32 years ago but vance called trump hitler, so maybe that campaigns are beat a horse wessel song. >> i don't know. >> it's my idf, my maatsen jackson, paul. >> is there any chance that it works and they're trying to brand him in that positive outlook in the context of this race well, so far it hasn't. >> i mean, he's just not relatable people don't like him and that's just not me. that's the polling data. and i think it doesn't help. this is, here's some free advice for jd when you tell people you hate them, they don't like it, and they tend not to vote for you when you tell women how many babies they should have, or you tell the people who don't have children, women that don't have shelter, cat lady thing, of course, is now infamous and really, really done i mean, again, i was

trained by bill clinton and al gore and they got kind of thought you should say nice things about voters and maybe they would like you jd's got a very different strategy. he seems to really like punching down, you know, he's a wealthy man and god bless me, came along way in life and i give a lot of credit for that. they went to yale and he made millions in silicon valley and he's punching down. i don't think that's a good look james how do you see it happening though? >> trump jettisoning him? how does that play out as this event as you see it, just trump actually actively dump him or does jd somehow bow out? >> well, you know, i don't know if you know, it's like do you get the guy to sign not to take suicide undersell? do or the slit his throat. i have no idea but the way the trump operation he might get up one morning and say get rid of this guy. and the rnc, i'm assuming they'd have to pull him by phone or computer or something like that. of course, they don't have they don't have thought

other than trump's, that's so there's a lot of technical things ballpark know just a little bit and i do but he jumped down like to just sit tight and good kid in us was happening right now in do everything he can to them. elon musk the press conference. he had. i don't know, but he's not he is not a comfortable man right now and he's trying to think of something. i promise you we he said not a comfortable man final word to you, paul what a different racist would be first off, the problem is the top of the ticket. >> okay, but the republicans have chosen their nominee. i respect that. what did different race it would be if trump had chosen nikki haley chris christie, brian kemp, glenn youngkin, even mitt romney, people who can get votes that trump doesn't now have, that could be completely different race. that's what kamala harris good occasions from the west coast, from california. she chose a midwesterner who is a soldier and a teacher and football coach and a hunter she's none of those things. and so it's really been a terrific team on the democratic side. and not

much traction. i think on the republican side, i'm just going to hope that all those alerts are people saying, oh, my gosh, i'm watching you and you're just gd amazing. and i want to see this again, redox. thank you both that's a bs indicator. >> nonsensical okay. >> thank you, guys all right. >> next what a ruling tonight means for jordan chiles and her olympic bronze medal when. >> you. get your tools from harbor freight, something about the job feels different your wallet whatever you do, do it for less at harbor freight they've. even more that are parking lot sale this weekend meet the jennifer's. >> gen x gen y, and z, each planning their future for the chase mobile app. gen x is planning a summer in portugal with some health from jpmorgan wealth plan.

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